nancy pelosi is even talking about, you know, it's not about race. it's about revenue. it's about getting the money we need to reduce the deficit. so atmospherics are better. we've got a chance. >> it sounds a lot better. we also try and figure out what the plan actually looks like just in terms of the ratio of spending cuts to tax increases or revenue increases. and there've been a lot of people who've gone back and forth. it started out where we were probably closer to three to one back last summer. and i thought that was what simpson-bowles laid out. then i've also seen something that was circulating last week, suggesting that the simpson-bowles plan really called for a one-to-one ratio. is that true? >> no. what we did is, we took current policy at that time. current policy at that time and bush tax cuts from the top 2% expiring and we took that as the baseline, and then what we did is we reformed the tax code so we could broaden the base, simplify the code and we got about $1 trillion of new revenue coming in, and we got $3 trillion of spending cuts. that gave us o